tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post6754064940164974031..comments2024-03-28T05:29:45.364-04:00Comments on Heim Binas Fiction: Truth AND ConsequencesCKHBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17741681893677604323noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-49600119505339081632009-09-23T17:14:42.249-04:002009-09-23T17:14:42.249-04:00Yes, Gary, I did have a very USA-centric example t...Yes, Gary, I did have a very USA-centric example there, but I was trying to pick something that wasn't too much of a hot-button issue! I didn't want us to get off topic talking about whether a particular activity was, in fact, right or wrong...CKHBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741681893677604323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-5488528031277590662009-09-23T13:37:09.808-04:002009-09-23T13:37:09.808-04:00Definitely realistic consequences are my preferenc...Definitely realistic consequences are my preference. Life is life. I read to find out more about life, thus, I don't want something false presented to me and I like to think neither do my readers.<br /><br />No doubt my morals and beliefs will come out in anything I write, regardless of how I try to structure it.Reeshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387498259078528854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-38817703578972294762009-09-23T12:03:03.025-04:002009-09-23T12:03:03.025-04:00I do believe bad behavior will bring about consequ...I do believe bad behavior will bring about consequences. But, being a Christian, I believe we can be redeemed and often those consequences end up being blessings.Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-38972464627008593892009-09-22T20:18:26.643-04:002009-09-22T20:18:26.643-04:00Your major example is also very culture-specific. ...Your major example is also very culture-specific. Premarital sex is far more sensitive in North America than many other places. I think it fair to say readers of a European novel would take for granted a teenage couple are having sex and wouldn't even bother mentioning it unless it was relevant to the plot. <br /><br />Conflict and moral ambiguity is the stuff of great fiction. You certainly don't want to cut it! Everyone reinforces what they think is good behaviour though. Wen I write I keep in mind my daughters are going to read it one day! My female protagonists are all strong and refuse to be victims.Gary Corbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14759372069119740227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-83202193296621658152009-09-22T18:55:25.601-04:002009-09-22T18:55:25.601-04:00Jordan, although I said I had no problem (in theor...Jordan, although I said I had no problem (in theory) with sex between mature, responsible teenagers... I don't know a whole lot of real-life teenagers who are FULLY emotionally mature and responsible. Hell, sex has consequences for fully-grown adults who can't handle how their relationships change (or don't change!) afterwards. As a practical matter, if I was writing about teen sex, I doubt it would be smooth sailing and an instantly happy ending for the teens.<br /><br />ElanaJ, I know some people who wouldn't get worked up about pot smoking among older teens, but I think it makes perfect sense to have illegal acts lead to consequences in novels because illegal acts are the most likely to lead to consequences in real life society. It's a nice bright line (illegal/legal) in an otherwise gray area (immoral <=> moral).<br /><br />And texting while driving would definitely lead to dire results in any book I wrote!CKHBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741681893677604323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-7077284165826478462009-09-22T14:21:54.944-04:002009-09-22T14:21:54.944-04:00I think authentic consequences are good if they pl...I think authentic consequences are good if they play into the story you're telling. <br /><br />That sounds like an odd statement, but let me explain. As writers, all we compose are events the way we THINK they'll happen. Not the way they might ACTUALLY happen. In romance novels, for example, we only see one possibility to the hero's flowering words (the heroine can just as easily think him a twit and shove him off a bridge as she can melt: all depends on the author). <br /><br />So if "authentic consequences" (whatever that means) work with the tone of the tale you're writing, then by all means write it that way. If they don't -- if the villain needs to get away with something bad -- let them.Matthew Delmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452378192874048547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-69754914415311671312009-09-22T14:00:52.906-04:002009-09-22T14:00:52.906-04:00Yay! You brought the discussion here too. I find t...Yay! You brought the discussion here too. I find this a fascinating topic. I agree with you too. I totally agree that not everyone agrees on what bad behavior is. For me, in a YA book, and as a YA author, I've chosen to go with giving authentic consequences to my characters who do illegal things. Because I think most of us can agree that that type of behavior can be labeled as "bad." What do you think? <br /><br />So not pre-marital sex. But underage drinking and driving. Doing drugs in high school. I do wish texting while driving was illegal, because I find it dangerous enough that it could kill other people. <br /><br />Thoughts?Elana Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877856005992028912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-73546453984853165392009-09-22T11:47:19.852-04:002009-09-22T11:47:19.852-04:00I like authentic consequences for the character. A...I like authentic consequences for the character. As you've said, some people get away with poor choices. If the character is well established, I think the outcome of his/her action will naturally play itself out.<br /><br />By the way, I'm originally from NM, so thanks for the fun road sign. Reminds me of home.Caroline Starr Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04597510685273079757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-37317593916442075562009-09-22T11:41:53.383-04:002009-09-22T11:41:53.383-04:00I loved ETHAN FROME for this reason. All of the c...I loved ETHAN FROME for this reason. All of the characters made bad choices and all of them paid for them appropriately.Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00861022355718378425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-63115503197632359722009-09-22T11:40:52.198-04:002009-09-22T11:40:52.198-04:00Whether or not we feel that premarital sex or teen...Whether or not we feel that premarital sex or teen sex is morally wrong, I think it would be irresponsible to portray it as being completely without consequences. The vast majority of teenagers do think there aren't consequences to their actions.<br /><br />Now, that doesn't mean that every book has to be moralizing, or that every teenager who has sex in a book has to go to hell, get pregnant and come down with a fatal STD (in that order). There are deep emotional consequences and implications of sex that nobody I knew in high school was prepared to handle. Many of my friends regretted their sexual experiences, some even seemed poisoned against members of the opposite sex.<br /><br />(I dare say, then, that there were fewer mature, responsible teenagers in my graduating class of 200 than there were girls who graduated as mothers or mothers-to-be. I went to a rather innercity high school; there were at least a dozen girls with children or pregnant at graduation.)<br /><br />Yeah, in a YA romance, we're probably not going to follow the characters through the end of their relationship (talk about a crappy ending)—but odds are pretty good for at least one of the kids that this isn't their first relationship.Jordannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-849583276019228310.post-76604564193175772822009-09-22T10:57:42.555-04:002009-09-22T10:57:42.555-04:00I definitely prefer authentic consequences. But th...I definitely prefer authentic consequences. But then again, I'm not always for the happiest of endings. I like it when I put the book down and think about the ending for days.Kristen Torres-Torohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15903038121623389560noreply@blogger.com